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     Robert (Bob) Rohner, after he took over the multi milliondollar successful "Family Business from John E. Rohner and was the President of Rohner Machine Works in 1982 when he took the "family business" through Bankruptsy Chapter 11. He then ran the business until he became a part of Papp International in 1982. In 1985 he left Papp International to form Rohner Engineering, now also defunct. He  worked for Papp International from 1982 to 2004 (according to his resume) as a project engineer. Dates don't seem to match but..
     Robert supplied all the information and commissioned this web site from John Rohner. However, he failed to pay any expenses, even simple web hosting expenses and so this site now belongs to John. As a Matter of record, The web sites published, produced and presented were copyrighted by John 2 years before the same data was ever copyrighted by Robert. Bob did try very hard to get John into his CEI company though.  Robert is now a part of Rohner Group, llc., who are raising money to reclaim an antique motor from the 1980s and say they have some kind of patent, , with Thomas Rohner in opposition to the known, filed, PlasmERG patent which was filed as provisional Nov 2008 and final Nov 2009.
      BOTH were offered positions with PlasmERG and opted to raise their own money as they believe that because they " worked with Papp" they own the technology, patent or not by anyone.  The Money raising failed and they have been harassing PlasmERG people since, and still do. Bob loves to stab John in the back any time he can with his BS (Bob Speak). 
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FIRST --- Let's clear the air. --- PlasmERG is being accused of things that simply are lies.

   FIRST and FOREMOST,  Rohner Group, Robert and Tom Rohner, Have absolutely NO Ownership of any IP, Copyrights or Patents that would give them ANY ownership of the Technology.
   The videos they show, Hardware they use and IP is all Stolen and COPIED ...

   Bob is FAMOUS for his statement "I WORKED WITH PAPP, SO I OWN THE ENGINE.  PATENT or NO PATENT"....
      His ONLY CLAIM TO FAME!!!!   BUT HARDLY A "PATENT" OR "OWNERSHIP"!!!  He is clueless...
   The www.pappengine.com site says:
   "two significant breakthroughs.": "We now have videos" Which they have now hidden from view after too many people called them on the single cylinder hoax they had up.
   "led our scientists"  I suppose this is a new term for the CEI guys on the west coast. But no such people exist at their shop.
   "News February 5th: new creations of Patent applications over the last months"  Yet not a single Provissional or actual patent is available from them via the USPTO. Considering Bob's Disdain for the patent process and lack of any understanding of it This looks pertty much like another of Bob's Lies.
   "News: Tom Rohner has finally committed a Patent Pending" so maybe Tom did a provissional sometime?
    "actual updated operational electronics"  Considering the broad research done at PlasmERG with a true Controller, who cares?
    "Papp/Rohner Engine" There never was or will be any such engine. There IS a Papp Engine or a Papp International Engine.
   
    AS I Said, they are clueless and OWN Nothing. They were "DIRECTED" by PAPP ONLY.!!  Look at the videos they do nothing!!!
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    My Brother Tom says he has people sending him messages wanting   refunds for money sent to PlasmERG.  
   WELL - PlasmERG would like to see these, simply so we can sue these people for lying.
    PlasmERG has NOT taken any money from anyone for licenses, or anything else. John Rohner and a couple friends support the company and their "investment". All stock holders are very happy!.  Without collecting money from anyone how does one owe anyone
   So Who are THESE PEOPLE?  (Fantasy?)
   Boom Box started developing their technology in 2001, spent 51 million and 3 months ago went public with it.   WE are way ahead of that time line.

   My brother BOB complains that we are defrauding someone.  As stated above -- the Question is who?
   The people who ARE  PlasmERG know all they need to know.  PlasmERG can make public what we wish, when we wishPlasmERG is a private corporation.    Rohner Group has no investment and therefore no need to know. Their actions even put them lower than "need". There is no rule that states that PlasmERG  has any "requirement"  to do anything Bob Rohner wants. Bob nor Tom are investors, stockholders, Board members or in any way participants of the company.     They were OFFERED a position in PlasmERG, THEY REFUSED !!!.

   One last thing.   Bob (Rohner Group) also RANTS that PlasmERG is using HIS pictures and VideosThis is a truly absurd statementWe make MODERN things and he has ancient Antique things.   So this too is laughable.

   BOB Rohner has stated publicly that PlasmERG has NO patent. (even though he has been provided and seen copies of the "filing" receipt from the USPTO) What else can we do for him?
    No attorney representing Bob, Tom or  Rohner Group,  has asked our attorney to have our Patent attorney verify that we do. 
Besides consider that All Rohner Group ever says is WE will FIGHT it Forever. (again you see they want to stop this technology from getting used  and helping the world, or it's the If it's not mine nobody can have it attitude.)

    Bob, Tom and Rohner Group have but ONE claim to anything regarding this technology. if you REMEMBER this statement BOB made regarding patents when he said of THIS TECHNOLOGY " I WORKED WITH PAPP, SO I OWN THE TECHNOLOGY, PATENT OR NOT", I AM GOD!!!! So the answer is NONE!!! WE HAVE A PATENT!!!!! THEY HAVE "WE WORKED WITH PAPP" for Papp International!!  Anyone ever tried to take the IP they learned at one company and make your own money with it.? UNETHICAL? 

   The PlasmERG S PATENT IS FILED.... (and it covers the process, control, and all other particulars). 
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AHH the true Character of the Rohner Group has finally come forth!!!!  This must make them soo proud of themselves!!!!
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  OH, John's Brothers, Bob and Tom, aka Rohner Group llc, Stabbed John, and PlasmERG, in the Back, as the cowards they are!!!!
Here is the
Rohner Group first message to ACE.. (NOT SENT to PlasmERG)
  and the "PlasmERG" rebuttal".
(NOT SENT to ACE as we did not know but the truth in any case)

   according to ACE this was just the first of many, many, many others, plus phone calls and voice messages all with the same lying crap. Bob "OWNS" the technology and we are stealing it from him, his usual Bob Speak.
   PlasmERG was disqualified because of his "harassment" of them. The upside is they will be providing all data for a lawsuit of Rohner Group by PlasmERG
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Luckily they have no ownership of anything to do with this technology. NADA. NO PATENTS, COPYRIGHTS or IP of their own, just Antique Hardware. Their messages were meant to be as bothersome as possible because they were so afraid their well respected, and well known, brother, JOHN, might get a prize for what he did for PlasmERG and the world. Understand this was for the Electronic Control System controller John designed and PlasmERG uses.. We feel sorry for them we offered to have them with us and THEY refused, now look at them...!!!? Guess this Proves Who They REALLY Are!!!. . 

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          THIS SITE WILL CORRECT LIES THAT WERE TOLD, INITIALLY, by Robert ON both his ROHNER MACHINE SITE, and Tom's Papp engine site.Some still are there Quoted from original text, given to John Rohner for use by him on his copyrighted sites in 2006, and quoted from that source.
     Bob wished to create this web site for the purpose of discussing, or cussing, what he knew, or wished to make others think he knew, about the "Papp Engine", or more correctly the "Papp International Engine", (there never was a "Rohner Engine")  and to present to the world, some compelling video of its history, importance, creation, and operation, only available from him, as he believes that even though the copyright belongs to Papp International, as it was recorded on their site, he owns it!.  As the Technology, see above. You will notice he is not recording it, it is done in Papp's Garage and  he is in it, as is Papp, Tom Rohner, Tom Miller and others so it is hard to believe he has any ownership of these since they are on Papp International property and have no authorization to video in writing.  But, as a matter of fact and record, Bob had the videos removed from this site by having a lawyer send a threatening letter (based on the DMCA not Copyright law) to our Web Page Host, even though the lawyer had, and has, no proof of any ownership. Seems the new Digital Millennium Copyright Act does not require any. Thanks George..  My Brother Bob just let me know that I was thanking George when I should have been thanking Bill. Sorry, I forgot that since Jr's presidency, or should I say Cheney, was the worst this country has ever had. He killed my Godson, in his illegal war, and bankrupted the country into a depression. Plus all the other things we lost to Chainey and his Gestapo tactics. Yes, I was in the military and I do not fault them. They have performed terrific following their orders. But I also remember that we were taught about a "Geneva Convention" in handling prisoners now only a memory. Thanks George.
   Bob also forgets that John's web sites were copyrighted before his, by over a year, and that his "copyright", now, is 2007. The DMCA was meant to be used for movies and audio recordings, to thwart pirates, and it was championed by the RIAA and MPAA. The USPTO is the place for normal copyrights and other such things.. But that's life and these OLD video's are nice for history but do nothing for today. Quite honestly with the payment of a $100 bill anyone could have them taken from his site, as well, since the real owner, using his logic, is NOT him.  He has no document of ownership and can not. But hardly worth the time. John decided that any legal action to ascertain true copyright was not worthy of the time, or expense, so these videos were simply removed by John. It's all history, from over 25 years ago, anyway. And Bob is John's brother. The "Take it Down" order came as part of Bob's refusal to join John after John filed his patents and offered him a position with PlasmERG.  He decided not to join anything that would not get him all the motor sales, as John wanted to spread the wealth. NOR would it allow Bob to continue to be GOD and kill another business, it has a board of directors for direction.
      Bob also decided to "steal" the money John and his wife paid Bob to help him out, keep him from being foreclosed and losing everything, and buy our dad's old house, although, it turns out later Janet, his wife, owned the property and everything else and that there was a property Tax Lien against the house as well. 
     John and his wife had given Bob $36,000 to keep him from foreclosure and losing everything. Bob had told them "Buy the House for $45K and in 5 years I'll buy it back for $90K and double your money or else I will lose everything tomorrow as the foreclosure is overdue now". SO John's wife, who did not trust him, gave Bob the $36K he needed to pay the bank and deferred the $9k until Bob gave her a receipt and bill of sale and the property "closed". After 3 and a half years and many requests, as I trusted my brother, Bob and Janet had "magically" forgotten to get them this final paperwork, collect their money and let the house "close". Maybe because it had a over $4k back tax tag?.  Maybe because Bob and Janet's Daughter, and son in law, moved home, could not afford to rent a place and Bob and Janet needed a place to shuffle them?  The tax lien is still not bad when you consider the Machine shop itself, above in picture, has over $100K is tax arrearages UNPAID. And is falling down, no bathrooms, in someplaces there's no roof BUT..... 
 The lawyers are arguing about that!!!!

THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT SINCE FIRE.
      Bob and his brothers, Tom and John, were associated with Joseph Papp, for years.
(This statement is not true, as published originally on Bob's site. John was never associated with Papp, as  matter of fact he never met Papp. But Bob was posturing to get financing to rebuild the 20+ some year old engine he had and to re employ his CEI people. (John was a well know, respected and maybe even famous "new product designer" so Bob was using him to help his sales pitch.)  As a matter of fact Bob was telling John that "Only our people in CEI are smart enough to figure this out. You never will." That made John decide to go ahead and fully figure it out. To say to someone, as accomplished as John, that he was too dumb to do what others had been unable to do after spending over 25 years and millions of dollars was a bit of a challenge. It took John 2 months to figure out and patent. So he was definitely "not smart enough."  Or maybe he really did want to see it happen?
     In reality it looks more likely, and the "Plans" John saw pointed this out, that as long as there was "money for research" it would never get to production. 
     We worked with him closely, as you will see in some videos, to mechanically, electronically and electrically design, redesign, create molds, PC Boards, build and generally create this engine and make it work.
(This engine being the "Papp International" Engine since Bob, as has stated on his resume, worked for them from 1982 through 1985, see the DOC page for Bob's Resume .)

    Bob is a Fine Mechanical Engineer, Probably one of the best, although he has fallen behind the technology and calls the 3D CAD/CAM that John uses "cartoons " because he can not do this modern design stuff. But 26+ years ago it was different and he did real well with the hardware.

    You can not fault with anything that ether Bob, nor Tom and those that helped them, did in 198x's. The world was different and the technology was not yet there. What is common place now did not exist.

      The rest of this page, like the "Rohner Machine" website, is simply a "Sell Bob as THE person to rediscover and SEND money" pitch to raise money for Bob and CEI.  Robert Rohner has no ownership of any patents, provisional or otherwise, or of any Hardware or IP, of any kind, it's all "stolen", non existent or in his "mind".    HIS FANTASY...  "I WORKED WITH PAPP so I OWN IT". 
"I AM GOD".....
HE fails to mention that in 27 years he has nice old Videos but has done nothing to get "HIS" to help the world.  


   The following pages continue to "correct" the record.
The Docs page has some interesting documents including my offer to them three times and their refusals, well unless unprintable.


       TIME TO SET THE RECORD COMPLETELY STRAIGHT
       NOW that they have OPENLY attacked PlasmERG,   it is no longer a Brother at brother thing.  Our attorney is collecting the Data from their attorney.
       When BOB, on behalf of Rohner Group, decided to, stab John in the back, and attack a third party, the ACE Awards, because PlasmERG, the company, was a "finalist" for an award, it changed.  John is a well known and respected design engineer which made him a candidate.  But this attack was against the Company, even though Bob used a lot of slurs against John in his RANTS and Phone messages etc. Supposedly we are infringing their copyrights, patents and intellectual properties. Of course we all know they have copyrights against video they did not create but the rest is laughable. Bob has quoted publicly from a stolen PlasmERG Document.
       If the gloves are off so be it. They are jealous, greedy, chicken, wanabees that can not even design a motor of their own or create technology of their own. So let's call them on it. All they have is stolen Properties.
       Look at their sites; 
       Do you see anything that is new? 
       Anything that was not developed for Papp International long ago?
       ANY NEW THINKING AT ALL?
       Nope, same old stolen engine using the same old stolen IP.
       So let's hear it for their innovation.
            PlasmERG has NOTHING BUT NEW!!!!!!!
       Yet, somehow we are copying anything from them!!!!!  SURE!!!!

Good Luck - John Rohner
ps. I think this engine is the single most important in history, right after GOD's giving us our playmates, woman. :0)
  
 

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